Continuing this January twelfth evening lecture consecutive to the first evening lecture and the December ninth lectures of Philadelphia, let us further examine this matter of anchor points.

This is January — this is January the twelfth, 1953. The talk I am giving here is consecutive to the Philadelphia tape — second hour, afternoon, December the ninth — following the material on agree, disagree, have, not-have, and so on. On those tapes you will learn far more about this material of the reverse vector of the physical universe.

I'm going to reveal to you at whatever small cost to the general aplomb, what control is and how you were controlled and how people can control you. This sums up to anchor points.

Physical universe is in reverse. It is gruesomely in reverse. You look at this series of charts on the December 9 lecture, you will find that an agreement is an inflow and a disagreement is an outflow. A not-have is an outflow and a have is an inflow. You agree with something, you have it. If you disagree with something, you don't have it. That's elementary, isn't it?

I've shown you there that you have two chances there if anchor points come up close to you. You can possibly feel like you're very large as a result but that isn't what normally happens; from 20 down, one feels small.

So we get a condition whereby if you — here you are [LRH drawing] and that is agree, and this is I again, and this is have. Far as you're concerned, all you got to do is agree with something and you'll have it, won't you? Isn't that cute? Because let's took at what the other party is doing at the same time.

You can call the operation of control leading out and driving in anchor points. And that's really all there is to controlling human beings.

There's the outflow for the other party, and he disagrees to make you agree. And so what you agree with, he's disagreeing with.

Now this curve of desire, enforce and inhibit, you have seen go from 4.0 down to 0.0. It also goes on the grand curve from 40.0, 20.0 to 0.0. In other words, there's DEI, desire, enforce, and inhibit, on the grand scale and there's DEI on small parts of the grand scale. In other words a 4.0 makes one desire. A 2.0 is interested in enforcing. From about 1.0 and so on, they're interested in inhibiting.

This is the MEST universe in terms of the use of flows. And this will tell you why you can't use flows in the MEST universe, and that the faster you can get out of using flows in processing, the happier you are and the better off you will be. And this is why agreement with the MEST universe is the most deadly trap that ever got rigged.

You can call operations below 1.1, inhibition — inhibiting. Operations above that a ways, enforcing. Operations above that, creation of desire. DEI.

Because if he has not [LRH drawing], that's an outflow, isn't it, from him? See, here he is over here; here you are. So he has not if you have. You have, he has not. You get the idea? Well, isn't that wonderful? It means that if you have, however, it's going to disagree with you. And it means that if you agree, you'll get what he doesn't want. Now this goes to a far lengthier matter in this — these earlier afternoon tapes. But just take a look at that.

All right. Now let's look at that in connection with anchor points. Here's a thetan sitting there minding his own business.

Now, we'll find out that I over here disagrees [LRH drawing], will get you agreeing. So we don't ever get a situation in which two people can agree in terms of flows. But we get them agreeing in terms of postulates. When we think of, then, life itself being a unit body or being high on the tone scale, being itself, wefind out that it's possible for an overall life to be compatible within itself, so long as its individuality is its own individuality; not when it is identified as other different individuals.

Nobody's troubling him. Nothing of the sort. Super salesman comes along, somebody makes a postulate in his vicinity, all of a sudden leads him out into a desire. In other words, takes his anchor points out and gives him some space.

The way you would break apart a group is to make identities out of them — identities all of the same body. Now we'll get into that a little more thoroughly here. We'll see that above 40 on the tone scale, all that happens is postulates. This follows this way. You want to know what's wrong with your preclear? Nobody obeys his orders, that's what's wrong with your preclear. I mean, I'm sorry to have to sum it up that fast, because you won't assimilate it that fast.

Or, something happens in his vicinity that makes him simply put his anchor points out because he's interested. Now he could be interested without putting out the anchor points. But he thinks he has to put out anchor points in order to observe this thing because he has to parallel its space in order to observe what's happening in that space. And he does this by putting out anchorpoints.

He started using flows. And when he started using flows and using space and anchor points and things like this, people stopped obeying his orders. Why did they stop obeying his orders? Because he had to disagree in order to get anybody to agree. And of course, if they agreed, why, they got what he disagreed with; and if he agreed, he got what disagreed with him; and flows are all backwards and upset. But up above 40.0 on the tone scale, he merely said, "It will be." He said something like "Let there be light," and there was light. He didn't have to then write a propaganda leaflet to hit the London County Council so as to provide further electricity in case a couple of politicians could get together and get enough graft out of it. You get the idea?

There's an incident on the track you'll find with an occasional preclear, particularly a very occluded preclear; it's known as the Empire Builder or the Planet Builder.

That's a long way from "Let there be light."

It's interesting. A fellow goes out in the middle of space, a piece of space dust comes in, maybe from the right and it goes on by. And what do you know, it comes back. And that's fascinating. And then another piece of space dust comes swishing in from behind him and it goes on by and gets out there a ways and, what do you know, it comes back.

If he wanted a ditch someplace or other, in terms of postulates, he said, "Let there be a place to be a ditch, and now let there be a ditch in it." A little — start using flows, and he gets down along the level of the MEST universe, and he says, "Hey, you. Dig a ditch here."

He thinks he's doing it. He's not. Any missile traveling in the MEST universe, any missile traveling in the MEST universe is operating on Newton's laws — for every action there's an equal and contrary reaction.

"Why should I dig a ditch here?" "Well, I said dig a ditch."

And as that thing goes by, it creates a vacuum — about which we're going to say a great deal more — when it gets in his vicinity, because he himself has accumulated and is using enough energy to upset the course of that particle. And as the fellow watches it goes on by, it gets way on by, it's actually ready to fall back into its own vacuum. It's actually all ready to come back on its own inertia. For every action there's an equal and contrary reaction, you see? It has strewn a reaction through space you might say and it's perfectly capable of turning around and coming back into that space.

"Well, I don't care. We belong to a union."

The thetan doesn't have to do a thing about it. But because he can be a magnetic influence, and if he's interested, he simply says to it, "Hey! (whistle). " You see it put out an anchor point. He gets it back here and he takes a look at it and he says, "What do you know! Bright. Sparkling. Fascinating! " Of course it goes dead right away. It goes dark. "Oh, that's too bad. How interesting." Whshht! "There goes one over there." Whht! Well now, he can just say "Be back here" and he could handle that particle. But because this particle is traveling in that direction, it has its own force, MEST-universe, and it can turn around and come back along that force line. And as it goes it's leaving a stream of sparks which get black. They burn out.

Kind of rough. In other words, his ability to make postulates goes to pieces the second he starts down into flows and force. And the best there is of him, and really all there is of him, is that portion above 40 which can make and make stick an instantaneous postulate. That's why Creative Processing works so wonderfully. It's rehabilitating the best there is of the preclear. His ability to think is not his ability to reason. His ability to be is his ability to create by postulate alone.

These are just particles in space. That's all. I don't care whether they're the size of a planet or the size of a pea or the size of an atom. It's of no importance.

All right, the MEST universe starts agreeing and disagreeing and playing this game with him and the next thing you know those things he agrees with he doesn't get, and those things he disagrees with he does get, and if he wants a car terribly badly he's got to have a rollycoaster, and if he wants a rollycoaster very badly he's got to have an airplane, and if he gets the airplane or the rollycoaster they're going to disagree with him.

Something is on its way, and it's bright and sparkly. And of course after it goes on its way just so long, its bright and sparkling tail will get black. I'm telling you now what black and white is. After a piece of MEST-universe energy has burned, it turns black. The fire in it goes out.

And he's in a complete scramble and a confusion. Do you know what the end of that line is? The end of that line is being MEST itself — way down at the bottom of the tone scale. That's the theta trap.

So from every side and above and below and around and around, these particles can pass by a thetan who is sitting in space and he can pick them up and bring them home by his own postulates. And there is his first real big, class A stupidity. They have an impulse to come back anyway. And having this impulse to come back, he doesn't bother to give them any postulates. He just lets them come back.

So what do you rehabilitate? You want to look down along the line, you will find that your preclear started getting into trouble when he got connected with people who flagrantly didn't obey orders. That's a very low-level thing.

He doesn't know anything much about gravity so if he starts to pile any of these things up or collect them, the next particle that goes by becomes influenced by that little pile of particles. And on its way, it goes on by and it says, "Whee, gravity!" and it comes right on back and goes plunk! into the pile. And the thetan says, "Look, I got it all set up automatically." He thinks he's doing it and that's what he should do. And there is your — the whole list of axioms.

He was a member of the armed services; he was a sergeant. And he had a private by the name of Doakstein or Goldski or something, and this private was a notorious goldbrick. And this private had a wonderful facility of saying yes and then doing no, and being very reverse about this whole deal. Saying yes, doing no, begging off, arguing. "Who said that was the order? Did the captain say so? No, I don't think the captain said so. Well, yes, if the captain didn't say so, then the major must have said so. Oh, you don't have a written order about it, then how do I know? And where's my pass, besides?" and so forth.

Every aberrated thought is preceded by a countereffort. Every effort is preceded by a countereffort.

And finally after he's been a sergeant for a little while amongst Homo sapiens, he's done. They bury him, practically. On what level? He couldn't make a postulate stick. That's all. He goes out and he says, "Line up. All right. Right shoulder arms." And there's Goldski someplace else. And when Goldski comes out he does slope arms. And his buttons are untied, and his shoes are on his ears or something. And this is what happens.

And there it is in that type of incident. So that somebody could sit out in space and have space dust flying around and could simply collect a pile of rocks.

If you think the sergeants go mad, think what must happen to generals. That's why they're all completely berserk.

He — it'd be a beautiful pile of rocks, except it'd keep going black. And they'd keep exploding every once in a while. Every once in a while he'd get one of these things just about back and it would go pow! He'd say, "How pretty. Let's capture it. It's black! I wonder what that blackness is?" First thing you know, he's surrounded by a terrific band of blackness. And anything that comes in through that black band of particles is bright, bright, bright, through the black. Of course, it's burning out.

Now, this tells you something very pertinent. This tells you that you want to look down the track for the time this fellow got aberrated, you look down the track when he first realized he couldn't make what he said stick. In other words he couldn't make a postulate happen instantaneously. And one day there he was, sweet, innocent little child, playing around, and all of a sudden he said, innocently and stupidly — because he didn't have enough horsepower to make it stick — he said to this stone, "Get out of my way." And you know what it did? Kicked his right shin in! And he says, "What do you know! There's something else around here making postulates that are higher than my postulates." And that something else is called the MEST universe. He breaks affinity with the whole thing. He finds out that when he falls down, earth does not move aside. It expects him to.

Apparently it has been made to go out by this black band of particles. It hasn't, it's just burned out, that's all, like a meteorite burns out when it comes down through the sky.

You can do the darnedest technique, by the way, by getting a mock-up (this is just a little two-bit technique of no importance, probably), and get a mock-up of stones drilling your preclear. Get a mockup of a stone and the mock-up of the preclear's body, you see? And have the stone saying, "To the rear, march. To the rear, march. To the rear, march. To the rear, march," you know? And have the fellow going like that and so on. He'll all of a sudden get terribly groggy. Why? Because the MEST universe has been ordering him around and invalidating his postulates left and right.

Space out there is just full of particles. Anybody who talks about empty space, give them a belly laugh. It's just full. There is no scarcity of MEST. Boy, stuff is going in all directions all the time.

Is there a level in which a person merely says "Stone, move," and the stone moves? Yes, I'm afraid there is. But he's not there.

For instance, out there there's so many waves passing through, I think there's about twelve cosmic rays explode in your body every hour — something like that. Or maybe it's every minute; I keep forgetting these terribly important facts.

And his soaring down the line from a state of sublimity and efficiency into the state of being Homo sapiens is the curve of disobedience on the part of the MEST universe. His postulates eventually become such a horrible thing as orders. His orders eventually become requests for cooperation. His requests for cooperation eventually become wondering why it didn't happen, then pleading with people, then asking for sympathy, and on out the bottom. And there's your curve of deterioriation and it's the deterioration of a postulate.

But the point is that an individual gets surrounded by black particles. But these black particles seem to have — don't have - but seem to have this trick. They create a vacuum whenever a particle goes through them, a vacuum is created in these black particles, and then that new particle is sucked back by this blackness. And a fellow gets the idea after a while, why, blackness takes, doesn't it? Nonsense, it doesn't.

What is the tone scale of a postulate? It starts out as simply a postulate. It says, "Let there be light. Stones will now move." And that happens. And we go down the line and we find out that less and less these postulates act as postulates and they become more and more orders, and then from orders they become cooperation, and then they become reasoning with things in order to get something done. That's association; you've gotten down below the level of force action. There's using force in order to get a postulate done, and that's — oh, that's the end of the road.

It's the — his postulates can do it, or Newton's laws can do it. And he gets himself completely surrounded by all this blackness.

Fellow starts to use force, what's he get? Why is it he keeps beating this other guy, he keeps beating him and beating him and beating him, and the more he beats him, why, the more obedience he ought to get. Oh, yeah? Hmm! Doesn't work that way. You see, the more he disagrees with this other fellow, theoretically the more this other fellow will agree with him — up to the moment when he agrees that the other fellow is something or other and then the other fellow disagrees with him again. I mean, it'll flick back and forth.

He thinks this blackness is desirable. He thinks he has many reasons why blackness is desirable, and so on. You can — one can hide in blackness. Never occurs to him all you have to do is look at that patch of blackness, and you'll see something's there.

The other fellow — see, he beats him until the other fellow obeys. And then the second the other fellow obeys, then he agrees that this obedience was a good thing. And the second he agrees the obedience was a good thing, the other fellow reverses vector and begins to disagree again. You wonder why you can't beat somebody into following orders. Well, it can't be done, that's all. So it's a nasty little puzzle; has to do with reverse vectors. The two earlier hours cover this very exhaustively.

It doesn't take. But because of the existence of all these dark particles, a new particle coming in there can stir them up — they spread apart; all the particles which are brushed aside have a tendency to do what? TO pick up and pull back this particle that went on through, until you can get a large, huge black mass of burned energy. And your thetan can get a huge pile of rocks, which are doubtless very pretty.

All right. Let's add to that this new material that that is the deterioration of a postulate. And the curve of a postulate as it deteriorates from above 40.0 down to 0.0 is the curve of deterioration of the preclear. Because what is valuable in the preclear? That which makes postulates. Postulate Processing, the highest echelon of processing: you want to rehabilitate that as fast as possible. If you want to rehabilitate that then you'd certainly better use material and mock-ups and so forth which rehabilitate his idea that he can make a postulate and make it stick, and this is best done by mock-ups, and so therefore he comes up tone scale on mock-ups with great rapidity and doesn't come up on terms of agreement with the MEST universe or in using flows or anything else. And he doesn't come up fast using flows in agreeing with the MEST universe for the good reason that the more you agree with the MEST universe the more it disagrees with you. See? Agree with the MEST universe — disagree, right away. All right? You should understand that in terms of postulates.

You'll find some astonishing things on an E-meter when you go in for this. You find every once in a while somebody would start to make a hobby of this. Or he'd join a sort of a club called the Sun Builders or some such nonsensical thing. And he'd take this pile of rocks which he had carefully accumulated in this fashion, everything whizzing by, and he would pitch the pile of rocks into a bunch of molten gases. What would happen? Why, the molten gases would be attracted by this much gravity and they would come in on the top of it and you would have a sun. I don't care whether it was a little sun, big as an orange or a walnut, or whether it was a sun as big as our sun. Size doesn't matter much. You'd have a sun. Which gets interesting, doesn't it?

Now, I'm going to give you another one that should be appended right straight into this, Many of these lectures have to do with anchor points and have to do with space. You're going to get a lot of material on that.

Light, by the way, could have been the sole responsible agent for the organization of this universe, and it might be that great, molten piles of gases get out there someplace and thetans go out and organize them into planets and suns and systems and that a new universe maybe is only 3 or 4 billion years old. But that's just because it's just a new pile of gas that has particles and so forth that's being accumulated and collected by somebody.

What's an anchor point? Well, how do you know you're there? The way you know you're there is you've got an anchor point up there in that corner of that room, up here, corner, up here; you look at those two anchor points, you're located with relationship to those two anchor points, so there you are.

You can look up here and you can look in this universe which we have right now. It's about 3.4 billion years old and you'll find big, big masses of blackness up there somewhere. I don't know, maybe that's what they're calling God today. His name will be Joe tomorrow. Because that is the deteriorating spiral.

Now, you go outside someplace into a large space or something of the sort, and you put up a couple of anchor points out here. In other words they're just a couple of dots. You put a couple in back of you, you've got dimension.

The second he starts to go in for that sort of thing and doesn't recognize what his postulates are and what the MEST universe is, he can confuse the two, and in confusing the two, starts his downward spiral.

What is space? Space is a viewpoint of dimension. Is it an actuality? No, it's not an actuality. It's just viewpoint of dimension. Therefore many things can exist concurrently with many other things in the same space. Why? Because the space isn't there. Does this call Korzybski a liar? Yes, it does, but he didn't know Scientology. He was a good guy.

The first thing, he desires these bright particles. And then, what do you know, he's got so much mass around him that the particles themselves enforce their own collection upon him. And willy-nilly, regardless of what he's doing about it, the energy there is so great and he's paid so much attention to the amount of gravity present that all he's got to do is just stand there with a pile of rocks and he'll collect rocks.

You don't believe that lots of things can go into lots of spaces where lots of other things already are? Start crowding in mock- ups. When your preclear really gets good, he can put ten-ton trucks into match boxes like mad. He can not only put one in there, but he can put ten-ton trucks where the last ten-ton truck was, and have them both. And then drive them out in different directions from the same piece of space. And we're dealing now with the actual rather than the real. That differentiation is made in this series of lectures very closely: the difference between the actual and the real. We're dealing with the actual, we're not dealing with the real.

That's particles. And I don't care whether they're the size of an atom or cosmic rays or suns, this thing would handle the same way. So he gets anchor points all messed up with physical universe phenomena, and it's no longer him creating space, it's space being created for him. And when he first starts out, he may think he has space there the size of half a galaxy or a whole galaxy. That's — it's his idea of space — small room — one galaxy. And he gets along just that way just fine. But then after a while, because of the laws of the physical universe, this space is enforced upon him, He has to have this space.

What's the real? The real is the MEST universe. What's the actual? That's you. You know you exist, and that's the knowingest know you know. So therefore that must therefore be the most actual thing there is. Simple logic, but it happens to work out.

You see, he just has been tricked to mixing up a postulate with energy. And so he looks out at the space and he says, "Look at all the space, and I have to have that space." Well, he can go out and create some more space, I mean it's of no consequence. But he just misses that point. He skips that one. And then what happens? Something drives in those anchor points. He gets too much mass where he is, something upsets them and his space gets less because his anchor points get less. He can't see quite as far as he saw before. And they might get driven in to a point where he's pretty small. And then the next thing you know something happens that he desires them to be out again. And then he's got them out, they're enforced in being out, and then the next thing you know something pushes them back in again and he's pretty small again.

All right. What's a viewpoint of dimension, then? What's dimension? Well, you are the viewpoint, and from that viewpoint you envision space, and so you mark out the space and there you are, and that is space. And if a bunch of you started disagreeing with the fact the space of the MEST universe existed, it'd probably collapse. That's a fact. You just stop viewing it as viewpoint. This could happen very rapidly and very contagiously.

How do you control people? By desire you lead their anchor points out. You shift and change their anchor points in terms of interest. It's a shabby trick by the way because, you see, the anchor point and interest are not the same thing. But they have been confused by the thetan.

You just disagree thoroughly on the existence of a certain piece of space and just from this nobody would go there anymore. If everybody was agreed it didn't exist, why, nobody'd just go there anymore. It would cease to exist as space. Just from that standpoint. And that's the mildest one. Now, we run that up to the reductio ad absurdum, yes, it would cease to exist.

A postulate is one thing. It has nothing to do with space and has nothing to do with energy. It's just a postulate. And that sits above all force and all space and all energy. And he can be a postulate any time he wants to. And he's — go on much better if he's just handling postulates. But he gets messed up with this desire for space, enforced anchor points, and then inhibited anchor points.

How do we know earth wasn't flat when everybody believed it was? They believed, you know, for ages and ages that earth was flat.

And, when we look at this little diagram up here, this triangle with A and B as anchor points, we find out that the distance from the thetan to A maybe originally was a billion light-years.

Then a fellow came along and said it was round; after that it was round. I don't know, maybe it was the shape of a cat just before that. Who cares? is the main thing about this; it's completely unimportant. It's very important to an engineer who's trying to do something with this universe, but it's awfully unimportant to most people. They look out the horizon, and they can see the horizon goes out there and that's the horizon. That's that. You, by the way, run an agreement that the earth is flat, in some preclear, that is so solid that he never has seen the roundness of a globe or a curvature of earth; he wouldn't believe it if he did see them. And you'll find that, find him stuck on the track back there before Copernicus.

Maybe. And then it had to be a billion light-years. Hm. That's different than his saying "I'm interested a billion light-years' worth." Now it has to be a billion light-years. And then the next thing you know, because he wants that to be a billion light- years, that's the best reason in the world by laws of energy alone why it can't be. So when he tries to pull that in, it will go out. When he tries to push it out further, it'll come in.

So anyway, that's beside the point. Let's just get this idea; in the Philadelphia lectures we cover space, space, space, space, and we talk about space all over the place and Spacation and so forth, let's just add this point to it. It's quite important, because it doesn't exist in those lectures and it's very important to an auditor.

Run, just for an experiment on some preclear, that incident of particles going by. And you'll find out what this is all about. He eventually gets to the point that when he pushes out, things come in. When he pulls in, things go out. He's completely reversed. Why? Because when this thing was going out, this particle was going out, it left behind it a streak which said, "Pull in." It left a vacuum behind it, see? A particle went flying out, left a vacuum behind it and what did we get? We got an automatic pull-in. So when he saw something flying out, he felt the sensation "pull in."

What is the progress of self-concept of size? What is the deterioration of size? What happens to a thetan in this universe in terms of space? How big is a thetan?

If you want to know how that would work out, stand down here on the curb and feel a lorry go by. And right after that lorry passes, you would swear that something there was going the opposite direction. Because you will feel a swirl of air which is traveling in the opposite direction to the way that lorry went.

Well, he's as big as he can put anchor points out there. And he is as little as he gets them driven in. What do you mean about driving in an anchor point? Well, you mean something very simple.

The lorry is going to your left; right after it passes, air is traveling in the direction of your right. In other words it keeps leaving a hole. So it feels when you see one thing going that way like it's going the other way — reverse flow.

Let's draw a picture of this thetan with anchor points [LRH drawing]. Here's your thetan, circle here. Let's say his anchor points as he looked out to the front — by the way, it's very amusing: the GE — the GE has a couple of anchor points out there. They're quite some distance away. And when he thinks they're closed down, boy, do you get sick. Those anchor points float way out there. And the thetan can go out and poke them, and they'll turn back into the same point, they'll come back to the same thing again. I mean they're the only object that he finds anywhere around his body that won't stay permanently moved if he pushes it.

You can check this on a preclear whether you understand this or not. You just take it — just without understanding it, you can just take it and say, well, if anybody in the universe gets really down scale they feel that what goes thataway is really going some other way. And when they say, "I've got to be good," they find themselves bad. Everything goes in reverse on them.

He goes out and he throws — hits against these things and he gives them a shove, and they go away. They don't go away, they just wander off and then they come right back to the same point.

You get somebody with a mock-up. Now, this is very pertinent with mock-ups. And you say, "All right. Move that mock-up further away from you," and he starts to shove on the mock-up, and it comes back toward him! You just say, "All right. Now we want the mock- up to move further away from you, give it a little pull." And what do you know, it'll sail right out away from him. Because his postulates are now mixed up in reverse. When he does one thing it does something else. Sad. Very sad. Very remediable.

Very fascinating. Because he can mock up things that look twice as good as them and three times as solid and push them around and they'll fly all over the place, but not these. Those are the GE's anchor points on which the whole organization of the body is built. These are the orienting points on which the human body is constructed, and that is the size of the bodies regulated by those points and so forth.

So we have this billion light-years from the thetan over here to A and that enforces a billion light-years, and then if he tries to put it out any further it gets down to a half a billion. And from a half a billion, by this same progress of desire, enforce, inhibit, it gets down to one light-year. Then it gets down to fifty feet. Then it gets down to twenty-five feet. Then it gets down to five feet. And then it gets down to a centimeter. And then it gets down to a millimeter. And what have you got? You got a cell.

So here are a couple of points up here. Here's anchor point A, anchor point B. We got those two big points out there. All right. Let's just take your thetan and he looks out here and he sees anchor point A and anchor point B. Now, if you take these anchor points and you imagine these anchor points out there in front of you, not the GE's, just — you don't — see, you don't have to have any anchor points at all, that's the whole joke. You get into space; the second that you believe there's space then you think there has to be anchor points, and the second you get anchor points you get relative size, and the second you get relative size you get in there paralleling flows; you've got space then and you've got energy, you're working along with a parallel of the MEST universe; and the next thing you know, you're taking your cue for size from the MEST universe only, and you're in the bag. You're all ruined by that time.

You've got the uttermost end of individuality. You have a cell. And that is what most people think individuality is. Actually what you've got is complete identity.

Put up — just throw out as far as you can, out thataway, out in front of you there, throw out a couple of anchor points. Throw them way out there. See how far out you can get them.

That person is really identified. And, boy, is he in agreement.

Note your own concept of size. Throw them way back out there again. Let's get them way out.

He is just like God knows how many other cells. And does he have to be smart? He certainly does have to be smart. He has to know how to make alkaloids and everything else. You talk about a chemist down here in the laboratory, he's a punk compared to a lot of the cells in the body. What they make in terms Of MEST would flabbergast you.

All right. Now haul them in. Bring them in to with about an inch in front of your face. Let's get them right up close.

The chemist can't even begin to approximate the various acids and alkalines which go to make up protoplasm. They've isolated a few of them and gawped — smaller, smaller, smaller, smaller, smaller, smaller, smaller, smaller, smaller... boom. Microscope.

Now let's put four or five more about an inch in front of your face.

One drop of water contains an awful lot of thetans. That's the mostest thing there is in this universe, is thetans — on that basis.

Now let's put another dozen right here about an inch in front of your face.

Now, how do people control people? They get their anchor points out by telling them some good news. And then when they got them good and far out they give them some bad news. Ha! And the motto is, Drive in Their Anchor Points.

Now let's haul them in tighter.

Tell them that that world out there isn't worth putting an anchor point on. Tell them it's bad! evil! no good! It's agin 'em. Tell them particularly that nothing obeys their orders; nothing follows their will; that everything out there is bad and there's nothing out there worth putting your anchor points on.

Now let's put another hundred or so right there about an inch in front of your face and let's pull them in closer.

And so a person tries to put out his anchor points and other people tell him how bad everything is and give him some real bad news, and the person snatches in his anchor points. And what does it finally wind up with? He is so horrified by accident and other things, he's so horrified, he's so mixed up, he is so upset and reverse-vectored, that every time he tries to put out an anchor point he pulls it in. So that the presence of something disgusting will make him desire it, but the presence of something desirable will make him run away. All in reverse.

Now let's pretend there's a wall out in front of them that won't let them go out again.

What do you think a newspaper does? Why do you think a newspaper stands around — you shouldn't be mystified anymore after this lecture tonight why newspapers stand around and slug the hell out of Scientology. Because that is exactly reverse to the mission of the newspaper. The mission of the newspaper is "Make slaves out of them." Bad news. Bad news. "Buses crash! Rape! Murder! Arson!

Now let's knock down the wall, and let's start throwing those anchor points way out, as far as you can throw them. Get them way out there. As many of them as you got, get them way out.

Burn! The world is not fit to inhabit, it's not fit to do anything with." That's what the newspaper says, every day, column after column after column. It's saying just one thing: "Drive in their anchor points! "

Now just reach into your body, anywhere that you have a somatic, and pick up an anchor point and put it way out in front of you.

And if they can effectively do this sufficiently and long enough and hard enough — A newspaperman is running on a reverse vector already and he might be saying, "Well, let's do something for the people. Okay. We'll write up five more rapes. Only we'll make them little children this time. Let's see, rape with torture.

Reach in there anyplace you've got a feeling, any sensation at all, and pick up that sensation, pick up an anchor point right at that point and put it way out there.

Yeah, that's a good story, yeah, we'll do something for the people." That's typical. He's at a state where he couldn't do anything for anybody, you see? Unless he decided to be awfully bad, and then he'd write a good story that would say the world was desirable.

Now reach into your eyeballs, and pick an anchor point out of each eyeball and put it way out there.

Anybody that comes along and says, "Look, something can be done about life, and it's worth living and you can reverse the cycle and you can turn it back up tone scale and bring it up to the top of the tone scale again" — good God! What has he just done?

All right. Now just adjust your anchor points the way they normally are.

He's invited every shell and grenade that can possibly be heaved in his direction, even when people are trying to compliment him. They reach out their hand and they mean to say, "Now that's pretty good and we ought to do that," and they wind up by saying, "You sad apple, we ought to cut your throat!

Two things happened: either as you pulled them up close to you, either as you pulled them up close to you, you got a feeling of enormous size (in other words what you did, you didn't pull them in, you just made yourself bigger); or, you got a feeling of being very tiny. As you pulled them in you got smaller and smaller. You see? You could go either way with that. You could adjust your size to the anchor points by getting bigger or adjust your anchor points to your size by getting smaller. Very fascinating, isn't it? Well, that's what size is. And that's also this stuff up here.

They say, "I wonder why I said that."

All the work you go to all the time to stipple this in is fascinating, but you just stipple it in continually. Good and solid, too. You — when you do this you have to stipple in all sorts of things. You think — you don't — you think your mind is maybe sloppy or isn't operating, or something of the sort. Boy, when you start to think of how much it has to go to keep this universe filled in, it's really wonderful. Really does quite a job.

Because this operation right here could go in a DEI cycle. We desire to make the world better and then it's demonstrated the world is no good, you see? And that inhibits your doing anything about it and would drive in your anchor points even further.

This is anchor points, this stuff up here, this MEST — whole flock of anchor points. When a person has to live in too small a room, something like that, why, he tries to put out anchor points and they conflict with this and then he feels very strange about the whole thing. That's why you take some guy like Adolf Schicklgruber and you find him and his minions always putting a desk at one end of the hall where you ought to have a ballroom or something of the sort and getting the other end of that hall as far as possible away. It made them feel, made some of them feel awfully small and made some of them feel awfully big, you see? Well, if it made you feet awfully big, why, you got a big hall, and if you needed the reverse you'd get a little tiny hall.

Well, the thing to do is to go back up scale again. Then you can see for yourself whether or not the world's any good or not.

You want to know what's the matter with people with claustrophobia and other things: Disorientation with regard to space. Nearly everybody's got a disorientation of one sort or another with regard to space. Disorientation is simply based upon an aberration of that concept of anchor points. They put out anchor points. There isn't any reason why you have to put out anchor points, that's the first move into energy.

Well now, you can be certain of one world, and that's your own. People will even try to drive your anchor points in on that.

An anchor point is a unit of energy. That's your first unit of energy, and when a fellow starts making lots of energy he just puts out lots of anchor points and that flows from one place to another and he changes it around and you've got energy. And that's about all there is to it, I'm afraid.

Of course nobody ever told you when you were a little child that it was bad to imagine things. That you'd go insane if you imagined anything. Nobody ever pulled that on you, of course.

It's quite simple. You stipple space in. As you think this over it'll digest, and become more — much more digestible to you. It's just the idea of here are anchor points and so on.

Nobody down in the sanitariums is frightened of hallucinations. Oh, no.

You can go down the street and you'll watch this bus coming toward you. And actually you can get a frame of mind so that as you watch the bus coming toward you, you get huge. You'll just get enormous. That's the wrong thing to do with regard to London buses, they don't care how big you are. Or you'll look at it and it's making you very small. As a matter of fact it is driving in an anchor point.

In other words, if you wanted to find the way out, just look at the way that was blocked everywhere. That's all you had to do, really. It was a simple piece of research. If you had all of this research, it was a very simple piece of research. Nothing to it.

Now, what is this thing called size, and how does it become fixed with the being? Why does he think he's just this big? It's fascinating, but from preclear to preclear, he — they give you the weirdest differences how big they are. One fellow says, "I'm a great big thetan." Another one says, "I'm just a little fellow." Rats!

All right. Anyway, if you were just to look around and find out what was going in a reverse vector, you'll find the road out in this universe.

Funny part of it is, you see, there's really no such thing as size except relative to something else. And what he's telling you is "I feel bigger than something," or "I feel smaller than something." All you have to ask him is "Than what?"

Now, this operation could have gone in that direction up to the point where we got Theta Clearing, because a thetan can once again start to throw his anchor points out at will. And if he can step out of the field of worrying over energy and worrying over space and get up to a point where he can rehabilitate his postulates, he can do anything he wants to with his anchor points. He could probably go out in space again and build a few more suns just for the dickens of it. Find out whether or not this little talk I'm giving here tonight is true. Prove it up.

He says, "I feel real big. I'm a great big thetan."

Now, the point is that a preclear is in his best state when he's — can make postulates and when he's not affected by energy. So that's the place we want to go. But this cycle of driving in the anchor points — lead a guy's anchor points out and then drive them in, tell him how bad things are, tell him how bad things are, give him bad news, bad news, bad news, bad news, bad news. What in essence compares, in driving in anchor points, to poking a guy in the nose? Boy, that sure attracts his attention in on that nose. Because anchor points are mostly — most quickly attracted to the points of the greatest impact. Now that becomes quite fascinating — points of the greatest impact. And the points of the greatest impact are the counterefforts which, summed all together, become a body.

You say, "Bigger than what?" And he'll really give you the answer. He'll think for a moment, and he'll realize that he's got himself estimated alongside of a palm tree he knew once, or something of the sort. And he's got himself lined up with some other spacial characteristic.

Lots of preclears get the idea that once upon a time they were in a cloud or something of the sort. Sure, they were in a cloud.

Now, in the Philadelphia lectures you'll hear a great deal about desire, enforce and inhibit as the three stages. Now, you as a thetan actually add interest to things. There are three characteristics with which we're involved here. One is interest. You can be interested in something without a dimension and without any energy involved. You're just simply — you're interested, that's all. Now, when we get interested in something which has dimension, we have to reach out and approximate its dimensions with anchor points in order to perceive it. But remember — get that solidly — interest does not depend upon anchor points and energy. The three things are interest, anchor points and space and energy.

They were dispersed all over the place and floating along and not giving a doggone. Their anchor points were 8 billion, 965 trillion light-years away. Who cared? I mean there was all that and they didn't have to put out anything and they didn't have to be interested, and then one day a lightning bolt went through the middle of the cloud or something of the sort and left a hole.

After that they got interested in the hole. Why? Because it was the point of hardest impact. And then it left a vacuum. And we'll take up vacuums here very shortly. I'm just going to drown you tonight with data.

So in short, then, we have this "Drive in the anchor points" as the control operation which is pulled on every human being. And you want to know how to be a bad auditor? Drive in your preclear's anchor points. You want to know how to be a good auditor? Remedy him so he can get them out again, and then so he can get them out and bring them in at will, because that's the total size factor involved.

Now I can tell you that I do not know for sure and I do not know if it can be established for sure, what I say about the deteriorating size of a thetan is a curve, but I believe it to be, and that the composite track of seventy-four trillion years might be the banks of cells which you now have which once ran bodies. And you might have a rather brief tenure on the track really — because it would be almost impossible to separate these things. And that's why you shouldn't give a damn whether you have a past life or not. It just doesn't matter. The point is, you've got a future one.